Saturday, 15 July 2017

The Larry Warren Controversy- Part 18

Sacha Christie has published a new article for the first time in over three weeks. It simply reproduces a statement by Steve LaPlume, a former colleague of Larry Warren's in the 81st Security Police Squadron, and then Larry's response to it. Her only commentary is to wish Steve LaPlume luck and invite readers to put a caption on Larry's reply, presumably a deprecating one, see: http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2017/07/steve-laplume-issues-statement-his-time.html. LaPlume came up in Part 16 of this series where Peter Robbins claimed that Larry misquoted him in the research for Left at East Gate.

Larry has appeared on two programmes of the Top Secret News radio show.
These are some of the best programmes ever about the Larry Warren controversy. One strange new accusation made against Larry is that he wrote graffiti on the "lemon squeezer", a sculpture erected in a clearing in Rendlesham Forest by the Forestry Commission as part of their "UFO Trail", see here for more details: http://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/rendlesham-forest-ufo-sculpture.html. The accusation came from the above photo taken during the highly successful camping holiday with the Birmingham UFO Group that I talk about in the previous article. You can clearly see Larry posing next to the sculpture and the words: "Jimi Hendrix- only $30,000" are scrawled on the artwork. However, as Larry explains, there is no evidence that Larry himself actually defaced the sculpture. Also the damage appears to have been carried out using pink lipstick. Larry's fashion consciousness tends to lean towards motorcycle-themed T-shirts and leather or denim jackets. If Larry owns any pink lipstick then this is an element of his life he has kept private from his friends... and I shall say no more because I do not wish to pry. What's more, does lipstick graffiti really count as vandalism? It is very easy to wash off and in fact will fade of its own accord before long; indeed, immediately if it rains. The first show includes an interview with Joe Montaldo, the person who carried out the voice-stress analysis study on Larry which Larry passed. This is the next best thing to the polygraph and Larry has challenged anybody to subject him to a polygraph test. In the second programme Larry is joined by Gary Heseltine. Gary has been doing a lot of essential research behind the scenes and he speaks openly for the first time about this subject here. I highly recommend both these shows.
See here for the next part: (coming soon)
And: http://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.co.uk/2016/09/truth-mobbed-again.html.

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

Dearest Ben:
You say Peter's disagreement with LW was about a 'Misquote'. Manufacturing a letter of confirmation and claiming it was from S LaPlume is not a misquote. Nowhere did PR refer to this as a misquote. Why would you, Ben, an intelligent man, obfuscate these constant claims against LW. You don't need to look far to find an open letter online from Stevie Ray Vaughns' biographer naming LW and saying he is trying to sell a guitar that was given to him by SRV and that SRV never did any such thing. Even SRV's guitar tech for years said it was a preposterous lie and attempt to extort the public selling fake memorabilia. LW claims SRV gave him advice on the book TRaEG yet no one connected to SRV ever heard of LW. He was a fan and maybe had a photo with him. ( ref LW's almost childish photoshop of a photo of him with Lennon - does this not ring alarm bells for you ) LW's vile threats of violence even had you defending him. Leopards NEVER change their spots Ben, and one day you will join the ranks of those on the end of Larry's sociopathic behaviour, and he will turn against you. LW has a place in the RFI as someone who heard about it and 'blew the whistle'. Stanton F did the same with Roswell in the 70s, but he never claimed to be there. LW is very charismatic and could have had the same revered and honoured position in Ufology as S Friedman, sadly LW is a man with many problems, chief amongst them he appears quite willing to issue serious threats of violence and promises to go through with them. A man Talking like a street thug, I'm afraid, is not the sort of person one should defend and he wasn't even man enough to apologise for it, he came out with a lie in your YT interview about some 'threat' he had received that prompted his 'windpipe through spine' business. I mean, fuck me, that really is an awful thing to say. Who talks like that? You don't. I don't. SC doesn't. But Larry 'brought up on the streets'........do me a favour! If he's from the streets, it was more like Coronation Street, Elsie Tanner's long lost billy bullshitting son........
I'm not sure you'll allow this comment but if you do fare play to you Ben:
Turn Left at EastGate?.... Turn Off the Lights Mate! more like!

MH

Ben Emlyn-Jones said...

You could not be more wrong, "MH" There is no evidence other than S laP's word that Larry fabricated a latter. Presumably Steve would have produced the original by now if that was the case. I was absolutely correct to use that terminology and I'm obfuscating nothing. Is it not odd that Larry's trade in fake rock and roll memorabilia has resulted in no criminal charges, or even an ARREST. Somebody said to me the other day that auction houses don't press charges and tend to clear up fakes by paying off the customer to prevent embarrassment, but they would not have the power to prevent the police from even arresting and questioning the suspect??? I defend Larry Warren because he has made no threats of violence. If he had he'd be in jail right now. You know it and I know it, so quit pretending! I've explained this in previous articles. As for the John Lennon photo, please listen to the radio links I provide where Larry discusses that. Ask yourself a key question: How would Larry have done it? Himself? He doesn't have the skills, so if somebody helped him with it, why haven't they come forward. "SC doesn't do that"? No, but she does bring up painful incidents from my past, get me banned from conferences and accuse me of trying to gangstalk and old man. So think again... "MH"!

Darren Perks (The Real One) said...

Oh its Sacha prentending to be someone else again...

Michael Hunt said...

Not want to answer my questions Ben, fare enough, you're busy so let the matter lie if you like, but just remember, let me know when good old Larry turns you over as well.
Ps, why does he always ridicule the UFO community when he has practically spent his whole adult life banging on about the RFI? Don't you find that somewhat ironic. Careful old cock, don't say I didn't warn you, all the best with your novel.
MH

Ben Emlyn-Jones said...

Which of your factual questions didn't I answer, MH?

Michael Hunt said...

My post last night, Ben. It was held for moderation

Ben Emlyn-Jones said...

I've published all your posts.

Michael Hunt said...

I'm bamboozled then, I disputed some of your points in your reply particularly that LW had issued no threat, astonishingly his email contained a quite repulsive threat of violence, which you a former hospital porter who must have witnessed close up the results of violence, considered ' a reasonable form of self defence'.
But I'll leave that matter. I'd like you to respond to this open letter from Stevie Ray Vaughan's biographer. It is quite long so I'll link to it and not paste it directly. The subject matter is extrememly detrimental to LW and somewhat confirms statements made by SC. If it isn't true would you advise LW to sue for slander? You have previously written that you have pretty much proven all accusations against LW as false and without foundation, malicious , citing as proof no police were involved. Slightly disingenuous this as you must know not everyone wishes to become involved in court cases, even when they possess evidence of law breaking. This fellow thought it enough to post an open letter to SRV fans and collectors of memorabilia. MH

http://www.stevieray.com/Cobras%20guitar.htm

Ben Emlyn-Jones said...

I'm bamboozled too. I have published every comment you have posted, I promise. I won't leave the matter of Larry's alleged "threats" yet until I direct you to previous articles in this series where I explain exactly why he has made no threat. Larry did not threaten anybody. His statement is one of intention to employ the lawful use of force. Sure, it was a highly melodramatic and over-the-top one that was very counter-productive, but Larry has had a lecture about that. Larry is a white heterosexual male. If had issued real threats he would not have been banned from the Scottish conference; he would have been dragged off to jail. Why has he not? Why has he not even been arrested, or even questioned, by the police?
As for the letter from Craig Hopkins, what he writes at the end sounds like a disclaimer to try and avoid that. I have heard these charges made and wonder why after over a year nothing more has happened. Personally I WOULD advise Larry at least to read up on his rights. I would also ask why, again, no criminal investigation has been carried out against him. He has not been arrested or even questioned. We have a lot of people talking in hushed tones about "calling the police!" and "taking legal action!" Even Nick Pope has chimed in on this mantra. The thing is, as I explain in Part 14, I myself had to threaten somebody with legal action, for a genuine reason this time. The first thing the solicitor said to me was: "Do not engage with him at all. Don't reply to anything he says; do not comment on anything he does." So I'm not impressed when I hear people continuously TALKING about taking legal action and calling the police. Basically, either DO it or STFU.

Michael Hunt said...

........"The first thing the solicitor said to me was: "Do not engage with him at all,,,,,,,,,,,,,.".......Exactly Ben, very similar to the attitude of people who have disagreements with LW concerning their various claims.
May Pang wasn't going to call in the police.
SRV's biographer wasn't going to call in the police
LW's cosmic avenger vaulting the stage to right the wrong of being asked a question....whoever was at the end of this threat wasn't going to call the police.
These matters, although pointing to sociopathic behaviour, are only tangental to the RFI. As far as I'm concerned, the book is as valid as James Frey's Million Little Pieces, a memoir that was exposed as total lies, a Million Little Lies. When you buy a book if it's shite that's one thing but when it's packed with lies and is a con well that's another. Is it enough for me to get truly upset about? Well it was the first UFO book I read and turned me on to the subject very much. Now I think it was a con, as I think PR does and I can understand why he isn't bothered if it goes out of print. SC may have a personal grudge, mine is with someone who seems to be a bit of a menace to society, but more pertinent, a first rate bullshit artist. I think the same of a few others in the UFO community who are charlatans and con artists and are chiefly responsible for the subject remaining on the fringes of comedy.....Clifford Stone, recruited by the Army at 7 to be trained to eventually communicate with aliens. His Army record says he was a typist! So, what's my involvement, well I'm not the cosmic windpipe avenger LW appears to be, but having bought TLaE I feel obliged to 'critique' it as well as its co/author.
This is my last word on this matter, I'm now going after General Chuck Halt and his fake tape recording!
MH

Michael Hunt said...

........"The first thing the solicitor said to me was: "Do not engage with him at all,,,,,,,,,,,,,.".......Exactly Ben, very similar to the attitude of people who have disagreements with LW concerning their various claims.
May Pang wasn't going to call in the police.
SRV's biographer Craig Hopkins wasn't going to call in the police, neither was the guitar tech, the amp tech, the supposed witness to SRV's signature. It's not apathy more like " well I've warned you". And that's how scammers constantly get away with stuff. SC was probably the first to comprehensively take LW to task.
LW's cosmic avenger vaulting the stage to right the wrong of being asked a question....whoever was at the end of this threat wasn't going to call the police.
These matters, although pointing to sociopathic behaviour, are only tangental to the RFI. As far as I'm concerned, the book is as valid as James Frey's Million Little Pieces, a memoir that was exposed as total lies, a Million Little Lies. When you buy a book if it's shite that's one thing but when it's packed with lies and is a con well that's another. Is it enough for me to get truly upset about? Well it was the first UFO book I read and turned me on to the subject. Now I think it was a con, as I think PR does and I can understand why he isn't bothered if it goes out of print. SC may have a personal grudge, mine is with someone who seems to be a bit of a menace to society, but more pertinent, a first rate bullshit artist. I think the same of a few others in the UFO community who are charlatans and con artists and are chiefly responsible for the subject remaining on the fringes of comedy.....Clifford Stone, recruited by the Army at 7 to be trained to eventually communicate with aliens. His Army record says he was a typist! So, what's my involvement, well I'm not the cosmic windpipe avenger LW appears to be, but having bought TLaE I feel obliged to 'critique' it as well as its co/author.
This is my last word on this matter, I'm now going after General Chuck Halt and his fake tape recording!
Ps, ref the link and the fake guitar photoshopped into a photo with SRV. Considering LW confesses to being no good with computers, ....why, old school Larry can't even open an emai !l.....these photo shopped pictures are a bit of a theme around him aren't they.
MH

Ben Emlyn-Jones said...

This will NOT be your last word on the matter because you will not be able to resist the temptation to reply to what I have to say here ;-)
You misunderstand my point about the solicitor. I am happy to dialogue with people who disagree with me, but behave in a civil manner. This is why I've published your comments. The people who do not engage with the LWHC, like myself, are not doing so because of their conduct, not their opinions. Whatever the situation, once you make the decision to go litigious then you have to stop making blog posts and Facebook comments about what a #BadPerson Larry is, and all his friends are. Are you seriously claiming that Mae Pang, Craig Hopkins, SC, Sotherbys, Christies and gawd knows who else are not going to call the police... NONE of them, after all the accusations they have made and all the terrible things that have been done to them by Larry "the Guitar Monster" Warren? It makes even less sense that somebody would not call the police when a white heterosexual male "threatens" them. SC has not taken Larry to task, as I explain in this series of articles.
I will say nothing about your next paragraph because it is all rhetoric and opinion; you alone are qualified to comment thereof. Same goes for Clifford Stone.
If you're going to claim Larry faked the photos then you're going to have to nominate somebody who did that for him... Or are Larry's poor IT skills not real, and he just feigns them. Is he in reality a computer genius! You see how deep this rabbit hole of speculation can go?
I look forward to you next "last word on the matter", MH.

Michael Hunt said...

Apart from the Craig Hopkins 'warning ' letter I think SC has covered all this comprehensively anyway. I just wonder to myself if, when looking at the long list of accusations, claims, evidence, statements from those involved...etc, Ben, you think to yourself.....Christ, there are either half a dozen different people called Larry Warren out there who are all sociopaths...... or there's only one Larry Warren and he is just really unlucky. Whatever the truth, fare play to you for going out to bat for your mate - and with that I really am bereft of anything further to say on the matter - MH

Ben Emlyn-Jones said...

OK, MH. I think I have covered this subject honestly and I have addressed your points. It lookjs like we're just going to end up differing. All the best.